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Mordakai · Mar 23, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Master Ypoc

instead of giving a opinion, i´m gonna state some facts:

You and I have different ideas of what are "facts." This list sounds like FOX news "facts."

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Originally Posted by Master Ypoc

Fact 1 -

if you want to enjoy all the features of GW as we know it, gamers have to pay a fee every six month in order to get new content. for example WOW, despite of the game differences from GW, can also be payed every six months, and you know you still have something new waiting.

Please. WoW does free updates? How often do they do it? What updates are you talking about?

WoW requires you to pay a montly fee AND to buy Expansions. Know how many more chapters Guild Wars has than WoW's "Burning Crusade"? One. That's a fact.

3 years of Guild Wars for $150 (if you want all 3 Chapters). Name me a better deal, please.

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Originally Posted by Master Ypoc

Fact 2 -

we are still waiting for many details that lack in GW today and can make it an even better game, details that should have been in the game from the start or added much more sooner, and details that should be available in all the 3 chapters.
( pets controls, decent storage upgrades, armor insignias in the 3 chapters, these three come instantly to my mind but we all know there are many more... )

These are not (in my opinion) game breaking problems. They are frustrations, but name me a game with ZERO frustrations. Hint: It doesn't exist.

Instead of focusing on the negative, think of all the updates and fixes Anet does do, FOR FREE. (Hard Mode is a great example of an up-coming update for FREE).

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Originally Posted by Master Ypoc

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in 2 years the only real content update in the 3 chapters until today was Sorrows Furnace.

What?!? Holiday events, Festivals, Tomb of Primeval Kings, etc, etc.

Please tell me you don't think you got your money's worth. I need a good laugh today.

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Originally Posted by Master Ypoc

Fact 4 -

Anet is telling us that the present game Guild Wars is not worth improving and therefore they decided to create a new game with the name of the old one, using the background a of huge 3 chapters "beta testing" game.

Where did you read that? Guild Wars 2 IS improving Guild Wars... Hello! That's the whole idea. Many of the things people have been asking for: More races, persistant areas, huge combats, are all being implemented. I know some people want to hold on to the past forever, but how do you see Guild Wars 2 as at least not an attempt (even if, in your opinion, it fails), to improve upon the Original!

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Originally Posted by Master Ypoc

If i don't like the general results of GW2 when it comes out i'm gonna feel ripped off by Anet. because remember one thing, we the gamers are not the ones who owe Anet, if Anet is announcing a new GW game they can thank that to us.

The one thing I agree with you on. Of course Anet owes it's success to us... do you think they don't realize it?

They are taking a HUGE risk with Guild Wars 2 - and loosing money by not releasing Chapters in the next 2 years to pay for it.

You're right about one thing: People will only buy it if they feel it's worth it.

Only time will tell in that regard.

Silabus The Rebirth · Mar 23, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

I really like what I've heard of GW2 and, honestly, I don't care if it is "like WoW" because I like the Guild Wars series much better. I just pray that my 256 mb RAM can play it. I hope they have setting where I can play it, I dont really care about high graphic settings. Please Gaile, tell them to make it playable for even people with only 256 RAM.

raven214 · Mar 23, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Brandon1107

Why even call it Guild Wars? The only relation it has to Guild Wars 1 is that it will have no monthly fees and will be set in Tyria...but not look like it because of the updated Graphics Engine.

No monthly fees, set in the world of Tyria, humans, charr, norms (dwarves?), mythical medieval world, etc. And the "2" is because they're starting over with a fresh approach. Do you want them to keep the exact same graphics engine (which would be fine by me actually as it is amazing and runs beautifully on my computer)? Diablo 2 redid the village from Diablo 1 and it looked slightly different because the graphics engine was different, but it still was obviously "it". Are you seriously suggesting it won't be the same world to you simply because they use an updated/new graphics engine?

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Originally Posted by Brandon1107

I am really hoping the Anet team will making SOMETHING different because right now it has nothing new except for a couple different races.

How do you know it has nothing new besides races? Have you read the article itself? I haven't and yet I've already seen more than that just from reading about it. New control system, new zoning system, new quest system, etc.

So in summary, it doesn't deserve to be called Guild Wars 2 but it better be different from GW1? I've seen this contradictory type of argument so much in this thread, it truly boggles my mind. Please at least pick a side -- better yet, read the entire article, and relax... we've got 6 - 9 months before GW:EotN, and a good 2 years before GW2.

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Originally Posted by Mr Bingo
look mate, if u are against gw2 just dont play it.

Why should they have to stop playing the only actual skill-based game on the market because some scrubs want a cheap WOW? It's hardly fair. People need to realise GW is supposed to be a high-end PvP game. PvE is only there as a little 'side-thing'. It might sound like a cliche by now, but just go play WoW. I'm not trying to FW but seriously, that post just shows nothing.

I am sick and tired of this "scrub that wants a cheap WoW" line. Look, I like GW PvE. That's right, I like it. Coming from Diablo 1 and 2 and Dungeon Siege, I got drawn to GW because of its believability (no crazy races -- i.e. playing as a human), graphics, casual style, and yes no monthly fee.

If you want high-end PvP, why don't you go play Lineage or chess or whatever? Two totally different things? Well, so is telling me to play WoW. Last I checked, GW offered both PvE AND PvP. It sure is strange that such a little "side-thing" as PvE got expanded through 3 chapters, huh?

I dabble in PvP, but I spend most of my time in PvE. And I love GW and am thrilled about GW2. Sorry, but apparently you're going to have to put up with scrubs like me.

EDIT: Oh, and where you said "Why should they have to stop playing the only actual skill-based game on the market" in response to not playing GW2 if you don't like it... GW2 will be a different game -- no one will force you to buy it. No one will force you to stop playing GW1 if you so desire. So where are you being forced to stop playing a game that isn't even out yet and won't be so for another 2 years?

Maxiemonster · Mar 23, 2007, 04:07 PM // 16:07

This is some great information. Took a two week break, never thought I'd miss something big as this. I like having four races and a level cap of 100 in Guild Wars 2, the more grind the better

Those are some huge changes though, let's hope they won't change the gameplay too much, as I love the current gameplay.

And is there any word on the game requirements yet? My PC is getting old, so I'm pretty sure this one won't run GW2.

Asked my mom if she could take a copy for me a minute ago. If anyone wonders, you can get the UK Edition of the PC Gamer at the "Albert Hein" in the Netherlands (at least in my city).

Gun Pierson · Mar 23, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I'm going to share my thoughts on this not as any sort of official position, but just as a personal opinion as a gamer. When I played Diablo II, I did not have a portal to magically carry over my Diablo characters. When I played Half-Life 2, I didn't get to carry over my chars or weapons from HL. Sim City 3000? Nothing moved from the earlier Sim Cities. Civilization 2 didn't have a tie to Civ. MoO 2 wasn't MoO with the same guys. I didn't keep my 10-wheeler from Railroad Tycoon when I started Railroads.

You catch my drift?

Mostly, I want to point out that these GW->GW2 changes are a long time away! The article mentions a beta in 2008, right? I vote we look to the distant future with positive anticipation, and to the near future with joy.

Again, just my two cents.

That's why I chose Baldur's Gate and Ice WInd dale series over Diablo. The other comparisons you make are not justified. You compare FPS, and simulators with an RPG style game like Guildwars. In an RPG, the character is the most important thing for a PvE player. You play years to get him/her you want. The goal is neverending or at least in theory. I catch your drift but it's based on nothing imo.

'The ones I make in GW2 will be even better'. Let's first see about that, I'm not impressed at this point. At least not like when I followed Guildwars before it was released.

Your last point is that it's still a long time away. To me it's just around the corner. I'm already playing gw for two years and those flew by very fast.

Rockman X · Mar 23, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Hi guys. I've just joined GW world couple of weeks ago and this is my first post. I have some idea to speak out.
I think, in my opinion, the "no level cap" thing of Anet means there'll be no lvl in GW 2, only a bar left like xp bar now but actually has no lvl defination there, a bar to measure how strong we will have been improving, for example, the more the bar is filled, the stronger you are, and actually has no lvl for the game, and thus there wouldn't been any grinding. Hope that could be it, do u agree? :O

Sagius Truthbarron · Mar 23, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

I think level gain will be quest related, as it is in this game. Even with a high level cap, its only grinding when you level up by farming. In most MMORPGs its like farm the cows for 2 weeks, then move on to skeletons, and so on. I'm sure Anet/NCsoft will show some mercy.

Kassad · Mar 23, 2007, 04:31 PM // 16:31

World of Guildcraft, thanks, but no thanks.

ANet, the reason Guildwars was successful was that IT WAS NOT ON THE MMORPG BANDWAGON. Increase level cap? Level 50 will be equal with a lvl 30? what the hell? Levels should work normally, as in a lvl 80 would rape a lvl 30 because the level 80 has more health and better armour.

If your going to do some stupid complicated leveling up system, why bother? seriously? Just keep the damn level cap. Taking ideas from The Guild Hall was your first step to ruining your game, you really think UW farmers know what needs to be fixed in gvg?

Guild Wars : Eye of the North - Not a chapter, only an expansion, no new classes, blah blah from PC Gamer. Umm... so whats the point of this if we cannot take our characters into GW2? You really think it will keep everyone busy for 2 years?

By the time GW2 is out, 80% of the community will be gone, playing other games, and dont care what GW2 has to offer. GW is dead, yes, but making a mmo wont fix it.

Sorry ANet but I dont see your half-assed attempt to rip of World of Warcraft actually suceed.

berlioz7 · Mar 23, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Since I believe that ANET is viewing this thread I have one request regarding Necros in GW2. This is my favoret class and if they are included in GW2 can they not be represented like self mutilating crazies who wear leather from pervo stores and animal skins? Maybe more like Vampires, such as in the movie underworld or Brahm Stokers Dracula.

Etta · Mar 23, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

That's why I chose Baldur's Gate and Ice WInd dale series over Diablo.

I can see your point, I love BG series as well. You can import your char from BG1 to BG2 yes, but you can not import any of the items, gear, gold to BG2. You can import everything from BG2 to Tob, why? because Tob was an expansion to BG2, same engine, the story pickup where BG2 left off.

And look at GW1 and GW2, the same can be said about Fallout 1 and 2. The stories between the two games take 1 or 2 generations apart. Would it make sense to see same Vault 13 Hero on the second game? Knowing that he would be 90+ years old.

Takeko Nakano · Mar 23, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Although I would have enjoyed a summer release for EotN, it will still be good to see it for Christmas. I'm still reading reports of "third quarter 2007", so maybe it will be another October release.

As to GW2, personally I'm glad GW is going to try to be different. The current GW experience was getting stale due to the lack of replayability in PvE. I don't think it was possible for them to reinvent the style of play whilst not changing the game itself.

Let's be fair, there won't be monthly fees. So if it flops it flops and we won't be tied to it. Also GW1 will still be available to play - if GW2 goes badly they could always continue expanding that.

I also like the idea of starting new characters in a new game. Although my girls have done well, they didn't seem to progress much. So provided that the higher level cap does not hugely affect PvP gameplay, it will be nice - even with small benefits it will be fun to see characters become more experienced and "veteran". That said I really hope the Hall of Monuments will allow for real advantages for us current players in GW2.

So I'm excited, but the anticipation will probably kill me. Thus I will focus on EotN and make sure to enjoy every bit of it. I'm really glad they'll be giving us dungeons and underground fighting. One disappointment with Guild Wars was the lack of exploitation of "undergound areas" like Sorrow's Furnace. If they had made more places like that they could have really expanded PvE content. I hope that with GW2 they will make tombs, dungeons, tunnels and the like to allow for extra gameplay.

However I have one thing that I must insist upon. Please under no circumstances go anywhere near WoW's cartoony graphics. GW is beautiful - even with updated graphics you must keep that "real" feel to the game.

Nightzirk · Mar 23, 2007, 05:38 PM // 17:38

numer one: "Please under no circumstances go anywhere near WoW's cartoony graphics. GW is beautiful - even with updated graphics you must keep that "real" feel to the game" Please under no circumstances go anywhere near WoW's cartoony graphics. GW is beautiful - even with updated graphics you must keep that "real" feel to the game thank you for saying that, so I won't have to.

Nr2: Make...PvP...Balanced....If you don't make pvp balanced, noone will play pvp, and PvP is the only thing that REALLY separates GW from other games.

Nr3: how are Anet going to earn money, If they're cancelling their "2 campaigns a year" policy, but still don't want monthly fees?

And, no, I don't want to read ALL the 77 pages, in case somehting has been answered b4.

Surendre · Mar 23, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

LoL

Well, I am a bit excited for the new chapter of GW1 and GW2. I have no idea how things will exactly work, but GW2 is sure fascinating already to me.

Anyways, I've read alot of complaints here. Complaints about their own thoughts, making their own facts. You sure can like something a bit less, but acting stupid towards a game company that you don't own is messed up.

And Gaile has pointed out that they won't abandon GW1, they respect all of their guild wars players and that's why they won't abandon those who choose to remain a GW1 player.

Firerose77 · Mar 23, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Instead of bashing ( in any form) people that have different views of this change, has anyone stopped to think that maybe they released such little tidbits on what the game will have as a way to see what there fans will and will not enjoy? So if someone hates it that is fine because it is their opinion! Let them speculate about the game. Let them say they love it from what they have seen so far( or hate it). The little cry more attitudes and the omg noes! only show how much everyone only cares about their own opinion and theirs is the only one that matters.

I personally so far am not in favor of it, but then again I need more information to truly give my final opinion on this.

Master Ypoc · Mar 23, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Please. WoW does free updates? How often do they do it? What updates are you talking about?

WoW requires you to pay a montly fee AND to buy Expansions. Know how many more chapters Guild Wars has than WoW's "Burning Crusade"? One. That's a fact.

3 years of Guild Wars for $150 (if you want all 3 Chapters). Name me a better deal, please.

if i'm not mistaken the monthly fee of WOW is 10/15 € and a GW chapter every six month is about 50/55€ ,so WOW players spend more 15/20€ every six month than GW players, if you ask me that's not a big thing if you look at the differences between the amount of content that both games have.
like i said before the chapter paying system of GW is an illusion created for marketing and sale purposes in order to rival with monthly fee games, and give customers/gamers the impression they play a much less expensive game.
do you know that the paying Burning Crusade expansion was released 3 years after the original WOW game, and in terms of content is it has the same (or more) content than 2 chapters of GW put together, and WOW players can transport what they already have to the new expansion without problems.
oh and GW was released on April 2005 so it's gonna be 2 years old in 2007.

it's not a question of being a better or worse deal, because fortunately i work and can provide my gaming habits, therefore i'm not shocked for paying for a game that meets my taste (yes i have the 3 chapters).

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

These are not (in my opinion) game breaking problems. They are frustrations, but name me a game with ZERO frustrations. Hint: It doesn't exist.

Instead of focusing on the negative, think of all the updates and fixes Anet does do, FOR FREE. (Hard Mode is a great example of an up-coming update for FREE).

I played WOW 10 day trial to experiment the game. i installed 5 or 6 game cd's, then i downloaded more than 1 GB of free updates before starting to play, just like the GW sytem works, and these updates are done from time to time, on a free basis, to skill balance, correct bugs, add some new details and content.
i reached lvl 20, because it is the maximum level cap in the 10 day trial, and i only saw maybe 5% of the total game, and i still prefer GW because of the graphics and mainly because of the way the game works.
of course there aren't perfect games, but when basic things that i mentioned, and i repeat, basic, take so long to appear in a high level game like GW, that shows me the effort that Anet spent in completing the game, yes completing, because the news about the potential form of the GW2 that is coming leaves me the sensation that the game i play today will be left incomplete.
this just shows the difference between a game with a monthly fee and a non-monthly fee.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

What?!? Holiday events, Festivals, Tomb of Primeval Kings, etc, etc.

Please tell me you don't think you got your money's worth. I need a good laugh today.

i'm sorry i forgot the Tomb of Primeval kings, but when you mention holiday events and festivals and put them in the level of a significant content update, IMHO this can only be a joke.
last time i checked i don't log on to Guild Wars to see the main cities cities with christmas and halloween decorations, or do beetle races, or running around picking presents, or get into snowball fights or whatever the things that people do in this events.
those events are just extras that should take place along with more real content updates, that IMHO Sorrows Furnace and Tombs are the only examples. oh and we got Tombs because Anet did a real content update to the PvP part of the game.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Where did you read that? Guild Wars 2 IS improving Guild Wars... Hello! That's the whole idea. Many of the things people have been asking for: More races, persistant areas, huge combats, are all being implemented. I know some people want to hold on to the past forever, but how do you see Guild Wars 2 as at least not an attempt (even if, in your opinion, it fails), to improve upon the Original!

I guess you didn't get my point mordakai.
we can´t compare the gameplay of WOW and GW because they may look alike but at the same time they are totally different.
with this news of course GW2 can be an improvement of GW, but you know what, we can't compare them, we're talking about a completely new game.

RavenHQ · Mar 23, 2007, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

.....no.....no.....no...NO IT CAN'T BE.....that can't be true. ANET SAY IT IS LIES LIES!!!

The low level cap is what I love about this please do not change it!

In the Dragon arena, everyone gets an effect that reduces they're life to 100hp, in the Consulate Docks mission, the hp is set to that of a level 20 player. The level 20 cap is cool for PvP, but PvE could use higher levels. Those "effects" do a decent job of leveling the playing field...

Surendre · Mar 23, 2007, 05:59 PM // 17:59

It's not even released yet. Even though they have showed us some info. about the game, we haven't experienced the game and we don't know 100% sure how things will work. All I say is to not bash the game(s) for something you don't even know a lot about.

antialias02 · Mar 23, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I think it's interesting to hear the argument that ArenaNet shouldn't call the next game "Guild Wars 2" if they're not going to retain all of the original mechanics. It sounds like people are asking for more campaigns and less innovation, which is very contrary to the "Give us a Z-Axis, Give us an Auction House, Give us.... " mentality that has been so pervasive in recent months.

The most striking thing to me, though, is that other companies create sequels with significantly modified/upgraded engines, mechanics, graphics, characters, and even storylines/worlds (The biggest offender: Final Fantasy, which many of you are no doubt familiar with). But so long as there are a few basic ideas tying the old and new games together, you can (and should) call it a sequel. So what if the level cap increases? Still Guild Wars at the heart of it all.

Sequels in movies have the tendency to be worse than the originals, but it's been my experience that sequels in games tend to be even more awe-inspiring than their predecessors.

G E A R S · Mar 23, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

i think that as long as they allow GW1 char over to GW2 it'll work out fine

Mordakai · Mar 23, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

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Originally Posted by Master Ypoc

I guess you didn't get my point mordakai.
we can´t compare the gameplay of WOW and GW because they may look alike but at the same time they are totally different.
with this news of course GW2 can be an improvement of GW, but you know what, we can't compare them, we're talking about a completely new game.

Well, I think we agree more than disagree.

I guess I just got ticked off by your list of "facts."

If you had just prefaced the entire previous post with "IMHO" (as you do here), I think it would have gone over much better.

As you say, it's impossible to say anything about Guild Wars 2, because it's just vaporware at this point. I installed WoW about a year ago, and after waiting a few hours for all the updates, found I couldn't even stomach it enough to play 5 minutes. It just wasn't Guild Wars. It didn't look as nice, and didn't feel as intuitive to play as Guild Wars. I couldn't imagine spending money each month on it.

The thing about Guild Wars, you get what you pay for. You want more content? You buy the new Chapters. But you don't have to.

I could've been playing the Original "Prophecy" campaign all this time, and had spent $50 total to play a MMORPG for 2-3 years (I was counting this year in my cost analysis, because there are no new Chapters this year to buy - kinda cheating I admit!)

That's the beauty of Guild Wars, and probably why I'll buy Guild Wars 2 just to check it out if nothing else.

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Originally Posted by G E A R S

i think that as long as they allow GW1 char over to GW2 it'll work out fine

That's not going to happen. This game will have different mechanics, and will not be compatible with your old characters.

See the beginning of thread for more details of what you can and can't bring with you.